Posted 1:10 PM by Creditwrench

1. re: Ron Paul on arm twisting and the CAFTA vote
From: "charliegirl2005" <charliegirl2005@sbcglobal.net>
2. Trying to Contact Dale Hollis
From: Steve <svanos2@fuse.net>
3. standing to sue
From: "the_2_5_cents" <the25cent@ruraltel.net>
4. Anyone know a good TILA Advocate (lawyer) in Ohio?
From: Steve <svanos2@fuse.net>
5. Re: standing to sue
From: Walt Maken <WaltMaken@gmail.com>
6. RE: sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .
From: "starlingllc starlingllc" <starlingllc@hotmail.com>
7. RE: sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .
From: "Ann Wood" <awood281@woh.rr.com>
8. Re: sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .
From: "JT" <jaytee11@hotmail.com>
9. RE: sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .
From: "jaykayonline" <jaykayonline@sbcglobal.net>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:43:32 -0500
From: "charliegirl2005" <charliegirl2005@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: re: Ron Paul on arm twisting and the CAFTA vote

The Sausage FactoryThis should make every one of us on this list MAD AS HELL; a-la Peter Finch, Network.
All the more reason we should all learn how to fight back.
Charlene/Arkansas

"When the 15-minute voting period expired last Wednesday evening, CAFTA seemingly had been defeated.
House leadership ignored the time limit and kept twisting arms and making deals,
and the vote progressed until they finally had the votes to pass CAFTA nearly an hour later." Congressman Ron Paul.

The Sausage Factory

August 1, 2005

Congress passed a multinational trade bill known as CAFTA last week,
but not without a feverish late night vote marred by controversy and
last-minute vote switching.

Leaving aside the arguments for or against CAFTA itself, the process
by which the bill ultimately passed should sicken every American
who believes in representative government.

Late-night arm-twisting by House leaders to get votes is of course nothing new.
We witnessed far worse when Congress passed the ruinous Medicare
prescription drug bill in the dead of night two years ago.
Yet even after months of unprecedented wheeling and dealing by corporate lobbyists, congressional leaders, and the White House, the Washington establishment still failed to pass CAFTA in the US House.

That�s right, when the 15-minute voting period expired last Wednesday evening, CAFTA seemingly had been defeated.

Here�s how. As the vote progressed, the tally was neck and neck.
When the 15-minute period ended, CAFTA had gone down in flames.
But pro-CAFTA forces were so determined to get what they wanted,
they broke the rules.

House leadership ignored the time limit and kept twisting arms and
making deals until they finally had the votes to pass CAFTA nearly an hour later.

What kind of deals? Well, one member of House leadership told reluctant
legislators, �We've got to have you; you tell us what you want.�
And tell they did. Lawmakers in textile producing states were bought off
with promises of textile subsidies.

Lawmakers in sugar-producing states were bought off with promises of
special treatment in the 2007 farm bill.

On and on it went, with promises of new bridges, parks, and whatever else
it took to pass CAFTA.

Rest assured that you will pay dearly for these bribes used to buy votes.
Every favor granted and every pet project funded comes on top of the pork-laden appropriations bills already passed in the House this year.

These new goodies will be added to the final House-Senate versions passed
later this year. One of my colleagues estimated that the price tag for buying
the CAFTA vote will be at least $50 billion.

That�s right, $50 billion to win a vote. Is this what you want from your
representatives in office?

Perhaps the strangest vote buyoff occurred two days before the CAFTA vote.
Lawmakers from hard-hit manufacturing districts steadfastly have opposed
CAFTA, arguing that it would accelerate the outsourcing of jobs to nations with cheap labor.
So House leaders scrambled to craft last-minute legislation to �get tough� on China,
which is the real source of concern for most American manufacturers.

A bill was drawn up, and a hasty vote cast, so lawmakers could explain that
they traded a yes vote on CAFTA for action against China.
One small problem presented itself, however: the China bill failed on the House floor!
So House leaders went back to the drawing board, struck some and held a second
vote on the same bill the next day.
This time it passed, but its chances of surviving the Senate or a White House veto
are virtually nil. So members from manufacturing districts literally
sold their votes for nothing.

Their months of double-talking, coyness, and vote peddling resulted in nothing
more than an empty promise.

The president�s press secretary called the CAFTA vote �a real victory for the American people.�
The problem is the vast majority of Americans have not even heard of CAFTA,
and those who have overwhelmingly oppose it.
CAFTA was conceived and created by corporate interests, and to claim otherwise is preposterous.
The CAFTA vote had nothing to do with the American public, or even trade policy per se. CAFTA was driven by politics and nothing more.

Multinational corporations and political globalists share the same goals,
namely the centralization of political power in international bodies and
the diminution of national sovereignty.

What we witnessed last week was not just the selling of votes, but also a sellout of American control over our own trade regulations.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:32:45 -0400
From: Steve <svanos2@fuse.net>
Subject: Trying to Contact Dale Hollis

Does anyone on this list know how I can contact Dale Hollis about TILA
violations?

Thanks, Steve

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 04:15:44 -0000
From: "the_2_5_cents" <the25cent@ruraltel.net>
Subject: standing to sue

can anyone explain to me what is required for a credit card company to
have standing to sue in a state? If they have branch offices in your
state does that give them standing to sue? Thanks.

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:34:23 -0400
From: Steve <svanos2@fuse.net>
Subject: Anyone know a good TILA Advocate (lawyer) in Ohio?

I am searching for a 'go get em' advocate in Ohio who is knowledgeable
about TILA violations. Does anyone know one? This would involve
rescission of mortgage and suit for damages against mortgage company.

Thanks, Steve

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:50:21 -0400
From: Walt Maken <WaltMaken@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: standing to sue

Hi,
If you go to my website,
Angelfire.com/oh4/befree<http://Angelfire.com/oh4/befree>, and scroll
down just a bit until you see the search engine to my site, and
search for "credit card" , including the quote marks, there might be some
helpful info you can use.
Walt Maken

On 8/4/05, the_2_5_cents <the25cent@ruraltel.net> wrote:
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:53:56 -0400
From: "starlingllc starlingllc" <starlingllc@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:05:55 -0400
From: "Ann Wood" <awood281@woh.rr.com>
Subject: RE: sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .

Just quickly off the top of my head..

Would that be one of those unenforceable adhesion clauses?

Ann W

South Vienna, OH

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From: Cornforth-Strategies@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Cornforth-Strategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of starlingllc
starlingllc
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:54 PM
To: Cornforth-Strategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cornforth-Strategies] sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .

Anyone want to wade into this one:

I swim at a city pool. The city likes to get $5.00 per head once a year for
a resident program registration and that's OK with me. They blow the money
just like any other agency. The problem is, now they want us to sign a
waiver so that even if I'm harmed by the city, an employee, someone leaving
a nail in a board, etc., that I take and assume complete responsibility
myself and my own insurance must cover it.

To my way of thinking, that's not "cricket". I believe they're taking my
rights as a resident (I do pay taxes for the facility maintenence) and
saying that If I don't sign, I cannot use the facilities. To me this is
extortion because I must give up my rights (they actually say this) in order
to sign the form and use the city facilities.

Anyone want to give me input on this one?

"dirty pool"

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:19:51 -0400
From: "JT" <jaytee11@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .

Folks.

This indeed, sounds like "DIRTY POOL." Government employees appear to
be on a continuing kick to get each and every one of us to waive our rights.
They want to trample upon our rights without having to be held accountable.
They also want to be able to get away with failing to perform their clear duties,
including showing respect for our rights. This is wrong!

We must expose this to the fullest extent possible. And, we must take all appropriate political actions.....to the fullest extent of the law.

After all, each and every government employee is a PUBLIC SERVANT.....they are there NOT to serve themselves, but most importantly, to serve all of us!

From my perspective, if, pending the return of Our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ,
we do not think we have the government we deserve, we must do everything necessary....through the use of websites, emails, the news media and the
political process to change it.

Each of us has the inherent potential to be change agents....catalyst for positive change!
Lets take the initiative to bring better government with better public employees who
will give all of us better service!

Your brother in Jesus The Christ,

Jesse

PS: PLEASE NOTE THAT THE POLITICAL, SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS VIEWS EXPRESSED IN THIS E-MAIL ARE SOLELY JESSE'S, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS CONTENTS.

THE POSTING OF THIS OR ANY OTHER E-MAILS ON THIS SITE DOES NOT EXPRESS NOR IMPLY ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT (IN WHOLE OR IN PART) WITH JESSE'S OR ANYONE ELSE'S BELIEFS.

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From: starlingllc starlingllc
To: Cornforth-Strategies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Cornforth-Strategies] sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . .

Anyone want to wade into this one:

I swim at a city pool. The city likes to get $5.00 per head once a year for a resident program registration and that's OK with me. They blow the money just like any other agency. The problem is, now they want us to sign a waiver so that even if I'm harmed by the city, an employee, someone leaving a nail in a board, etc., that I take and assume complete responsibility myself and my own insurance must cover it.

To my way of thinking, that's not "cricket". I believe they're taking my rights as a resident (I do pay taxes for the facility maintenence) and saying that If I don't sign, I cannot use the facilities. To me this is extortion because I must give up my rights (they actually say this) in order to sign the form and use the city facilities.

Anyone want to give me input on this one?

"dirty pool"

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:39:07 -0400
From: "jaykayonline" <jaykayonline@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .

I like to go back to the beginning and ask -- who paid for the pool in the
first place? If you paid for the pool, why are you having to pay a fee to
use it? If the City if taking a service away from the private sector, who
would have to have insurance to allow people to use it, how is it that they
can get out of their possible legal responsibilities even after taking this
service away from the private sector with your money? Inquiring minds
would like to know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cornforth-Strategies@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Cornforth-Strategies@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of starlingllc
starlingllc
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:54 PM
To: Cornforth-Strategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cornforth-Strategies] sometimes "stuff" just happens . . . . .

Anyone want to wade into this one:

I swim at a city pool. The city likes to get $5.00 per head once a year
for a resident program registration and that's OK with me. They blow the
money just like any other agency. The problem is, now they want us to sign
a waiver so that even if I'm harmed by the city, an employee, someone
leaving a nail in a board, etc., that I take and assume complete
responsibility myself and my own insurance must cover it.

To my way of thinking, that's not "cricket". I believe they're taking my
rights as a resident (I do pay taxes for the facility maintenence) and
saying that If I don't sign, I cannot use the facilities. To me this is
extortion because I must give up my rights (they actually say this) in order
to sign the form and use the city facilities.

Anyone

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